Concluding the preseason to the preseason

Background Music Announcer: Welcome to The Podcast to be Named Later, where we explore the world a conversation at a time. Sit back and enjoy. Here are your hosts, Chris and Kelly. Kelly: Hey everyone, welcome to the next edition of The Podcast to be Named Later here again with my co-host Chris, who's back from his study of fleur-de-lisت. Kelly: Welcome Chris. Chris: Thanks Kelly. Kelly: How's your day going? Chris: It's going good man. Kelly: Yeah, good out here in the central US as well. We're going to go around the country again. Kelly: A little bit of NFL geography, this time focusing on the AFC and let's jump out to the AFC East and see what's going on out there. Chris: Well, that's the home of my Super Bowl favorites for the upcoming season. AFC East has been owned by the Patriots for about 2 decades, and there has been a shift in power over the last 2-3 years. A little bit further north now. Chris: But it's pretty interesting, so the Patriots were a playoff team last year. Chris: The Bills, obviously, are are the team I was Speaking of as my Super Bowl favorites, and then you got the lowly jets who just haven't been able to get out of their own way for. Chris: The last 30 years or so and the Miami Dolphins, which are a really interesting team coming into this season. Kelly: Yeah, it is quite an interesting division. Kelly: Amazing I'm not sure another NFL team has had a run of dominance that the Patriots have had for you know, the couple decades that Tom Brady was there and not sure. Kelly: They're going to find their way back. Kelly: I generally like Buffalo. Kelly: As well, I'm not sure if Miami can put it together or not. Kelly: They had spurts of things last year, but they're still trying to sort out. Kelly: I think what they've got in a quarterback. Kelly: And The Jets are just The Jets and it's really too bad. Kelly: I mean really, both teams in the biggest media market. Kelly: To haven't been good for a while. Chris: Yeah, the New York is a sports debacle right now, so. Chris: I take the the. Chris: Rangers aside, they got a pretty good thing going on there in hockey. Chris: Well, I guess the Yankees are out in front in in Major League Baseball right now and and one of the favorites I I always kind of separate the Yankees from the rest. Chris: They're they're their own entity, but we take the giants, The Jets, the Knicks. Chris: The the Nets that I laugh the Nets are just a mess and it's funny for a team that's in such disarray there to gobbling up all the radio time. Chris: Right now you know everywhere you go, I listen to. Chris: Pretty much exclusively sports radio in my free time and and they're all you can hear about it at the moment, which is funny. Chris: 'cause the basketball season is over? Chris: Yeah, jets and Giants have both been struggling for for a while now. Chris: You know, hard to explain I. Chris: I mean I. Chris: I The Jets just seem to make puzzling move after puzzling move. Chris: And and. Chris: You know, I don't see an end for for them in in the near future. Kelly: So give us the wrap around there, Chris. Kelly: The logos of this division. Kelly: What are the Bills logo to start with? Kelly: I'm not even honestly sure what that one is. Chris: So the Bills logo is. Chris: Basically a blue Buffalo got a white outline. Chris: It actually looks like he's flying, so some type of super powered Buffalo. Chris: And then it's got a. Chris: Man, I'm not. Chris: Sure, what that what, what? Chris: That is it's. Chris: It's a red, you know it, kind of like it should be. Chris: It's horn, but but it's it. Chris: It runs the length of his body, so we'd have to give with somebody from the Buffalo Organization to give us a rundown on the meaning of that red stripe that runs through. Chris: But the the Buffalo. Chris: Uh, and kind of charging I think is is is what it's it's supposed to be doing, but to be honest with you by itself it sure it sure looks like that Buffalo is Flying Classic logo above bandwidth Buffalo for long as I can remember. Chris: Again, NFL league teams don't seem to change our logos at time. Chris: Some some more than others but. Chris: The Buffalo stuck with this for quite a. Kelly: While, yeah, so let's go back now over to The Jets. Kelly: What do they got going on for a logo? Chris: Pretty simple logo, so got the. Chris: Basically, the shape of a football. Chris: It's all outlined in white. It's got filled in with green and then it's got white lettering at the top in white letters, all caps as New York and then underneath that is The Jets, jets, jets, jets just spelled out JETS and then under that within the. Chris: Within the football is another football that kind of overlaps the E and the TA little bit at the bottom. Chris: Pretty simple, basically just the city and the team name. Chris: And that's what's on the side of their helmets. Kelly: Bounce over to Foxboro. Kelly: What are the Patriots got going on? Chris: So currently the Patriots. Chris: I don't remember what year they did this, but they used to have that like a a little patriot like hiking a football between his legs. Chris: It was like a. Chris: A A guy like a football player. Chris: And now they switched to just the headshot and it's a. Chris: His grey face. Chris: He's got, you know everyone got their color scheme for their team, right? Chris: So he's got the blue hat with some with some red like tails coming off of the back of it and then a single White Star on the on the hat. Chris: Just a guys face. Kelly: And then down to the sun soaked Miami. Kelly: What do they got? Chris: The Dolphins have a basically a dolphin coloring is. Chris: There orange and like a teal. Chris: The dolphin itself is kind of that teal colored. Chris: Turquoise maybe? Chris: And a sensually a. Chris: It is, I think it's supposed to be a son, so they have a white circle with like some rays coming off of it. Chris: It it's either that or the Dolphins flying through a Ring of Fire, so you have to call the Dolphins organization to see what they intended. Chris: But and then it's just a like a turquoise and white doll. Chris: I'm flying through it and that's been their logo for quite some time too. Chris: Classic dolphins from Alibek Kelly: I've always heard the Dolphins, the orange and teal and stuff is. Kelly: One of the better looking color schemes in the NFL. Kelly: What's your opinion? Yeah, the the. Chris: Dolphins were well so. Chris: I I I actually liked their color scheme. Chris: Most of them are are pretty simple. Chris: Dolphins or dolphins of Seahawks have a little bit of a of their own. Chris: List and I'm trying to think who else might have. Chris: Some some more unique colors running through my head in the league, it's there's not too many man, so most of them use the Blues. Chris: The whites of silvers, the Reds. Chris: You know real standard. Chris: Obviously the Browns are or the orange, along with the Bengals have that black and orange but red, white and blue is a pretty common theme. Chris: Steelers are. Chris: Or black and yellow you know. Chris: And and green and gold for the pack, so there's some different ones. Chris: But the, uh? Chris: Dolphins, you know. Chris: Maybe you could throw the Broncos in there. Chris: They have some orange and some blue a little different color scheme. Chris: But the. Chris: Dolphins works man. Chris: I mean, it looks pretty good. Kelly: So of the four logos who who wins? Kelly: The contest? Chris: I I feel like I see I I feel like right now I'm being influenced by the quality of the football team and I'm leaning Buffalo. Chris: I I put I put The Jets. Chris: In last place it's. Chris: You know it's classic, but again, I I feel like I'm being influenced by the team itself, you know? Chris: And so you know when you're winning, everything looks good, right? Chris: So with that in mind, I'll just go with the Buffalo Bills. Chris: I'll give them the 1st Place trophy out of the AFC. Kelly: All right, and then a new wrinkle and we'll come back to the NFC on this. Kelly: But just curious, you know you always hear about different quarterback styles in the NFL. Kelly: Now of the four quarterbacks that are likely to start in this division, anybody stand out that they do something really distinctive? Kelly: Or you know extra mobile or move around? Kelly: Or you know, really, not mobile at all and back that they always used to say in the day at statue or just. Kelly: Anything distinctive you want to call out about how the quarterbacks are? Chris: Well, I would the answer to your question I guess would just be a yes, so there's quarterbacks that have distinctive styles. Chris: There is statues. Chris: You got, you run the gamut here so you got two attunga by low down in Miami and and well he has running ability. Chris: He actually doesn't use it as much. Chris: As you know, he'd probably be capable of doing so. Chris: He really looks to to throw 1st and he is very athletic, has the ability to run. Chris: If he wanted to, I don't know if he could be a Jalen hurts. Chris: Hurts might be a better runner, he's got the thicker legs. Chris: He's a little better built for it to his. Chris: You know, no slouch himself, and he's he's a pretty big boy. Chris: Pretty well put together, but you know, if you want to talk about somebody who's special, Josh Allen is special and he very well might have the strongest arm in the NFL. Chris: And in addition to that, he might be the most difficult quarterback to tackle. Chris: Once you have your arms around him, I I mean, I think there's Lamar, Jackson, Kyler, Murray, they they might be the most difficult to get your hands on in. Chris: The first place. Chris: But once you have your hands on him, Josh Allen is a big strong boy and. Chris: You know, with his ability to. Chris: Run with power. Chris: He's actually pretty elusive too for as big a guy as he is and then his ability to throw, you know, probably 80 yards down the field as well. Chris: Well, he's definitely the cream of the crop quarterback wise here. Chris: But they got pretty. Chris: Good quarterbacks here. Chris: We'll see this is kind of a prove. Chris: It year for Tonga by Lua. Chris: We'll see if. Chris: You know he's got some weapons now, they they did him some favors went and got him. Chris: You know, maybe the most special wide receiver in all of football. Chris: You know the the lot of guys can do a lot of similar things. Chris: Nobody can do what Tyreek Hill can do in terms of speed and elusiveness, so that's a weapon for the Dolphins. Chris: Now you just got to pretty much get in his hands and let him do the rest. Chris: He's shown that. Chris: Time and time again he can be creative and so. You know, I. Chris: Mean it's it's kind of the same thing in. Chris: In New York that you. Chris: You know it's kind of a approve. Chris: It year, uh? Chris: Matt Jones, I feel like is still young. Chris: You know they made the playoffs actually last year and. Chris: You know he's got good coaching staff and and that you know that organization will take really good care. Chris: Of him I. Chris: Did lose Josh McDaniels though, which I think is a significant loss, but. Chris: You know he's younger and he's got more time to go. Chris: I think both in Miami and in New York. Chris: You you know they're in a spot where those quarterbacks are kind of like a man, either you're going to be a guy going forward, or we're going a different direction and you, you know, Zach Wilson in Tonga. Chris: By lower, I think, are both in the same boat with regards. Kelly: So that what's interesting there, I guess is and it really. Kelly: Speaks to the. Kelly: I don't know what organizational dysfunction or just the. Kelly: The difference in people The Jets have been down this road before when they thought they had their guy. Chris: Well, and this is kind. Chris: Of what I was alluding to earlier that the. Chris: Jets just, you know some of. Chris: It's their fault. Chris: Some of it's not I. Chris: I remember a conversation I had before Zach Wilson was drafted and it was pre draft. Chris: And my buddy Ed calls me up and him and I talk a lot of football on the phone and and a good friend of mine and and we kind of bounce ideas across and he he calls me up. Chris: And as you know, Zach Wilson was kind of shooting up the charts in the pre draft. Chris: You know, in in that like you know, March April time. Chris: Frame prior to the draft, Zach Wilson is is, you know, looking more and more like you know he's going to get drafted early. Chris: Really, and he calls me up and all he said he's like the chat, The Jets cannot draft a guy from BYU, right? Chris: And I said, I don't think they care. Chris: Do you know what I've laughed? Chris: I did and I've like no, not a few of The Jets. Chris: If anything can go wrong, it's going to go wrong. Chris: And if you're going to pick a dude from BYU, you're like begging for it, and so sure enough. Chris: That's what they did, and to this point. Chris: Anyway, it hasn't worked out, so we'll see. Chris: You know, the guy is really talented and he shows flashes. Chris: It's he's very similar to the other New York quarterback Daniel Jones for the Giants, and it's like man, you watch them. Chris: Play and it's like OK, you know he's he's got kind of all the tools and it looks like you could really see him. Chris: Being capable of being a premier NFL quarterback at times, but it's just you know the consistency is not there and then you see other just bonehead plays. Chris: Or it's like, OK, this you know this, you just can't do this as an NFL starting quarterback so you know if they could weed out all the bad, you know? Chris: They have the tools. Chris: If they could just become more. Chris: But yeah, The Jets have just not done well with their quarterbacks. Chris: I mean, Sam Darnold you you go on and on. Chris: I mean really, they have when was the last high quality quarterback that they had that you can name? Kelly: I really can't to be honest. Kelly: I mean historically I could say Joe Nemeth, but I wasn't around when he played. Kelly: And if I think back myself. Kelly: Haha honestly I don't know that they've been good in all the time I've watched football. Chris: Yeah, not from the quarterback position, so they've had some good teams. Chris: They went to some AFC championships under. Chris: I think they were under Rex Ryan at the time and. Chris: You know they had good teams, but that those teams were built on defense and you know they ran the ball. Chris: Tomlinson had a little state stint there. Chris: You know Favre actually made a little pop in visit for a year and and those teams were competitive. Chris: But you know a true jets quarterback in my lifetime. Chris: I can't remember one that stands out to me either. Kelly: Kelly, well, let's jump over to. Kelly: Another division in the AFC? Kelly: Well where do you want to go, north or South? Chris: Let's go South. Chris: We'll finish in the north, the north a little more interesting to me. Kelly: All right, let's go down South. Chris: So well, I'll stick with your logo themes, so you've got the Tennessee Titans, which is essentially A at in a circle. Chris: It's got 3/3 red stars. They're using that red, white and blue, but they actually use a couple different Blues. They have a deep like. Chris: Navy then they have a lighter you, you know not quite the powder blue of San Diego but or excuse me, Los Angeles, but kind of a baby blue. Chris: And then they have some red and some white and some Gray. Chris: And they made use of the whole color color schemes on. Chris: There's red T. Chris: Or I'm sorry, a white T inside a circle inside that circle, Navy blue. Chris: And then it's got some baby blue and red flames coming off the side. Kelly: Sounds like one of the more colorful logos in the league, yeah? Chris: Yeah, they and they they. Chris: Got a good squad too, we'll see. Chris: You know they're they're one of those that's kind of on. Chris: We'll see man, they're like teetering on the fence. Chris: You know they were. Chris: One number, one seed. Chris: Last year, a dominant team, obviously, you know, built on Derrick Henry and when he got hurt that took away a lot of you know who they were as far as an identity, so you know, I don't know. Chris: I mean they were. Chris: They were there. Chris: They got rid of A.J. Chris: Brown in the offseason you, you know I'm not sure which direction that team is going to go to be honest. Chris: So you know this, we'll find out soon enough, but. Kelly: The tough thing about any team that's built on a you know around a running back in my opinion and then. Kelly: Stating I guess a little bit of the obvious, but you just never know when that running back is gonna. Kelly: Not be there anymore and you see it so often with these really high quality backs. Kelly: I mean they they have a few years of greatness and that that punishment maybe or whatever just ends it off in form. Kelly: And then they're just a shell of their former self and Henry is. Kelly: Really been quite a workhorse over the past couple of years. Kelly: You know, and nobody in the NFL especially seems like they can escape father time. Chris: Yeah, and that position is really probably more than any other. Chris: It's one of those where you just fall off a Cliff man. Chris: I mean, you know you're good, you're good, you're good, and then very next year you know. Chris: So you'll see steady decline at wide receiver. Chris: You know basically every other single position across the the board. Chris: In the NFL, where you can kind of see you know a bell curve around their peak right? Chris: They're working up to to be in their their best version of themselves. Chris: And then they reach their their absolute prime. Chris: And then it's a slow decline coming off of that peak, right? Chris: The running back position for whatever reason is just they hit a wall at some point and they never come back. Chris: And yeah, it's just. Chris: It's a bruising position, man. Chris: I mean, you know if you think about the collisions. Chris: That the running backs have. Chris: They're just the most violent of of, you know. Chris: It used to be. Chris: You'd get like one or two big blowups if you played wide receiver, you know you're going across the middle and Steve Atwater or Ronnie Lott, or or somebody you know, going to put one on you, but you, but you only have a couple of those. Chris: A year, whereas the running back you you know it's it's the running back starting somewhere between 6:00 and eight yards deep, usually somewhere right around 7 yards, and they're usually making the collision with a linebacker who's starting about four yards off the ball, so. Chris: So they're lining. Chris: Up, you know 1112 yards apart and. Chris: And running top speed at each other and the collision that that happens there. Chris: It's it's just so violent oftentimes, and you have multiple of those each game you know, and and then they get your practices and everything else but. Chris: It's just it's. Chris: Just a pounding that the running back position takes. Kelly: Let's keep going through the division. Kelly: We got Tennessee. Kelly: Let's go over to Indy. Chris: So he's got the horseshoe. Chris: Uh, my quotes have been using this for quite a while. Chris: Just a blue horseshoe with with a white outline and then you know some. Chris: Some of the basically the white holes where the the you know she would be attached a very simple classic. Chris: It's been there for for a long time. Chris: And and, uh, yeah, clean looking. Chris: I like it. Chris: The Indy horseshoes, uh? Chris: You know, very recognizable. Kelly: Football Wise Indy is going to be interesting this year. Kelly: Obviously new quarterback in Matt Ryan and you know. Kelly: Jonathan Taylor Kelly: Coming back. Kelly: Again, I don't think he. Kelly: I don't think he's going to hit that running back wall yet, but Kelly: And we'll just have to see they were so close last year and then really again faded. Kelly: So really, going to be an interesting team. Chris: Well, I top to bottom, I believe Indianapolis is one of the most talented teams in in the NFL and I again we've talked about this a couple times. Chris: I liked the way Andy did it. Chris: They started at the ball and worked and worked their way away. Chris: Emphasis on offensive line the the running back. Chris: The defensive front so they they can play defense. Chris: They can stop the run. Chris: In the past they can run it. Chris: They and they have the people in place to be able to throw it as well I think. Chris: What which just didn't work out, you know, and and he seems like such a nice guy and and I I I wish the best for Carson Wentz and and you know, hope he can somehow magically rejuvenate his career. Chris: But it just didn't work in Indianapolis and and again, it's just that consistency man. Chris: He shows you the flashes he's got, you know moments of brilliance, but it's just not. Chris: Frequent enough and I think having a guy. Chris: Nope, no Matt Ryan doesn't have a problem. Chris: You know all the winning history that some other quarterbacks in the league do, but but he does have a history of winning that battle and the Falcon team has been good for, you know most of his time in the league. Chris: They've only had a couple of real bad seasons mixed in, and the rest are all they were. Chris: A competitive football team and he is. Chris: He's one you know. Chris: He reminds me a little bit. Chris: This scenario reminds me a little bit of what happened with Stafford last year. Chris: So you got a guy who's been in the league for quite a while. Chris: You know, kind of on the. Chris: Is he? Chris: Is he a Hall of Famer? Chris: How good is he? Chris: You know, it's hard to say and maybe mixed reviews on where he ranks. Chris: And I think a guy like Matt Ryan being able to go to a new situation and show that hey, you know what? Chris: I am a premier quarterback. Chris: It was circumstances outside of my control that kept us from winning. Chris: It wasn't me and so I think what you're going to get is. Chris: A motivated hung. Chris: Agree Matt Ryan. Chris: I think the same thing you got from Matt Stafford heading to Los Angeles from Detroit last year, where Stafford, I would say even more so because Detroit had been perennially perennially bad, right? Chris: And I think Stafford saw an opportunity to go to a very talented football team. Chris: And if you just spent that extra half hour in the film room, if he just spent that extra hour, you know out on the field. Chris: Throwing in the offseason if he just spent that little bit extra time studying the little bit of extra that he could do to make himself the best version of himself, you know, potentially he could go and and. Chris: I mean, look at Steph Stafford has changed the narrative entirely on his soul. Chris: He cemented himself as a premier quarterback in in the in the NFL, right? Kelly: And I think Ryan Ryan is going to be looking for that same thing again. Chris: Whereas we. Kelly: Clearly a quality quarterback I mean. Kelly: You know you don't. Kelly: You don't last as long as he has a starting quarterback in the NFL without having the skills and the traits, but without that? Kelly: You know, polishing Super Bowl victory on your career? Kelly: It's just. Kelly: Your career in the narrative, especially in this age, where it's all geared toward the quarterback. Kelly: That career arc is just not finished. Kelly: And so I I would agree that you know Ryan Goins or the Colts and where they were. Kelly: They're kind of one of my. Kelly: Going to be one of my. Kelly: I won't say sleeper, but I think they can go a lot further than people think. Kelly: Yeah, I think a lot of people you know. Chris: The the the thing that's gonna be challenging for them is is the AFC is just stacked full of high quality football teams so you know again if they were in the NFC. Chris: I think they'd be one of the favorites. Chris: And I do think top to bottom the roster is, you know as as well balanced and stacked. Chris: Is anybody else out there? Chris: I think the organization is run well. Chris: I think they have a history of winning and and I I think Mark Ryan. Chris: Might be just. Chris: You know they'll be in the fight. Chris: I'll put it that way. Chris: I think that they can be a winning team now. Chris: I think the Jaguars, well, they've I think they actually will be much improved this year. Chris: I think getting rid of. Chris: You know some of the toxic leadership and and letting everyone just play is going to serve them well, but the Texans are still rebuilding. Chris: The Jacksonville Jaguars are still really. Chris: Building I don't. Chris: I already said I'm not sure which direction the Titans are. Chris: Going to go I. Chris: Think this division is right for the taking. Chris: If the Colts want it, and I think Matt Ryan might be the one to be able to push them over the top. Kelly: Yeah, so give us a little on the Jag wires and. Kelly: Texans logos. Chris: All right, I'll give you a little. Chris: I haven't spent too much time on Jacksonville or or or or Houston these days, so Jaguars just have the head of a Jaguar, you know, color scheme like you would think. Chris: It's a yellow. Chris: Basically yellow fur with the black spots you know got its mouth open. Kelly: How does he compare to the Panther or the lion? Chris: Comparable so you know, again, kind of a. Chris: It's a realistic. Chris: But depiction, like you know it looks like a Jaguar. Chris: It's not like a cartoon character of LON or or. Chris: You know you you don't have to to, you know, use your imagination too much. Chris: It looks just like the head of a Jaguar, so I I'd give it a. Chris: It's an average to below average in my opinion as far as. Chris: Overall NFL logo spelled little. Kelly: And then how about the Texans? Chris: Texans basically have the, you know, head of a steer to two big horns. Chris: Uh, got the blue Navy blue, red and white color scheme. Chris: You know half Navy blue with the star basically where it's I would be and then red on the other side. Chris: Right? Kelly: I gotta say, and maybe it's the football teams reflecting it, but I don't sense a lot of excitement from you on those two logos. Chris: No, and again, you know I might be influenced by the quality of the football teams, so you know if they were a little better or their logo, you know. Chris: Like I said, winning makes look everything look better. Chris: And you know, those two are are wouldn't be in my, you know top 15 in the league. Kelly: All right, out of the four logos, who wins? Kelly: It sounds like it's a battle between the classic horseshoe and the Titans. Chris: Yeah, we'll give we'll. Chris: Give the edge to Tennessee in this one. Chris: They got a lot of colors represented and and you know the the classic horseshoe is nice, but we're going to let Tennessee walk away with the win on this one. Kelly: It really sounds like I said earlier from what you described. Kelly: Really, one of the more colorful logos. Kelly: Like I said. Kelly: Ah, alright, well now let's bounce it out. Kelly: Go up north and pick up the AFC North. Chris: Well hey, before we jump ahead, I'm curious. Chris: So we talked a little bit and I think you and I seem to both be in agreement that it's a 2 horse race. Chris: Who do you got? Chris: To between Indianapolis and Tennessee, do you think India's got what it takes to pass them up this year or is he going to hold on? Kelly: Yeah, I think I think this is going to be in D division. Kelly: I just think that. Kelly: I I think it's their. Kelly: They're gonna do it, although I, I think here's what I. Kelly: You know, Tennessee? Kelly: They had such a good run and then such a let down. Kelly: I just think India is going to top them probably by I'd be a little bold. Kelly: Again, this is pre to pre season. Kelly: I think they're going to win the division by at least two games I just expect. Kelly: I just expect big things out of Matt Ryan. Kelly: To be honest, I think you combine him with the passing attack and the running attack they have and some of the drama and consistency gone and just see good things from them. Chris: I do too and I think they can be balanced, so I have nothing against Ryan Tannehill. Chris: I think he's performed. Chris: Really well, I think the Tennessee passing game stepped in, went up when it needed to. Chris: But India is built to be balanced. Chris: So I think they want to run first, but with Matt Ryan there I I think they're going to be a really tough team to. Chris: Try and stop offensively and then you know their defense is solid so. Kelly: Yeah, all right now we'll go up north. Chris: Yeah, this one is the. Chris: Uh, probably the most interesting. Chris: Division outside of the AFC West, obviously, which we've already talked about is, is pretty well stacked, but of all the divisions in. Chris: All the football, NFC included. Chris: This is probably the one that is just really interesting. Chris: You know the the Bengals were kind of Cinderella last year. Chris: They made a amazing run through the playoffs, went through some really high caliber teams, came out on top when when really nobody myself included, thought they could get past some of the teams that they did to get there. Chris: I made for an interesting Super Bowl. Chris: I mean they were. Chris: It was great run and you know from what you saw, there's no reason to believe they wouldn't be able to do it again. Chris: It was just kind of a surprise because I think it was ahead of schedule and then you know, for me anyway, part of it is a surprise, just 'cause it's the Bengals and they're they're kind of in that Los Angeles kill Clippers, you know, they used to be Chicago Cubs, you know, New York Jets ill. Chris: Course like I. Chris: Know they just can't seem to get out of their own way, and, uh. Chris: But they did. Chris: It last year and and you know Joe Burrows the real deal man. Chris: I mean that guy is just an incredible personality. Chris: An incredible leader. Chris: Come over talented toughest nails. Chris: I mean, he's he's everything that you want in an NFL quarterback. Chris: And the Bengals hit a home, run it getting him and and then, you know, Steelers are kind of the perennial, right? Chris: They're they're, they're they're. Chris: I, I would say definitely in the top three of franchises in the NFL. Chris: They just seem to do it right and are always competitive no matter what their talents. Chris: 'cause they should be. Chris: They're they're always in the fight very rarely. Chris: You know, picking early in the draft, and you know with the Ravens, which has been a really good franchise for. Chris: I mean really, since their inception to be honest. Chris: They've been competitive, tough, hard nosed, and then the Browns top to bottom are probably the most talented team now. Chris: They got a problem at the port. Chris: The worst place to have a problem right now, but you know they're stacked defensively offensively. Chris: The style of football they play travels well, so. Chris: You know you got a team without a quarterback at the moment. Chris: And but it's probably the most talented in the division. Chris: And then you have a team that went to the Super Bowl last year representing the AFC. Chris: You got a perennial winning team really. Chris: Two of them in Baltimore and Pittsburgh, so this is a tough division to call man. Chris: I mean, you know, I think the Steelers take a step back. Chris: They're going into post ban rebuild a little bit. Chris: You know. Chris: I think they'll be competitive. Chris: I don't think Tomlin will let let it happen any other way, but I don't think they'll have the firepower to compete in this division. Chris: But yeah, so this should be a really interesting division A. Chris: Hard fought you. Chris: Know if you look at the records. Chris: So here's the records from last year. Chris: Kelly, 10 and seven Bengals won the division, nine, seven, and one were the Steelers right behind him. Chris: A half game back and then 8 and 9 Browns 8 and 9 Ravens. Kelly: Yeah, I think this is. Chris: So you're talking two games. Kelly: Uh, I think honestly. Kelly: For me, this is the second most interesting division in all of football. Kelly: Again, and the the Bengals have been such a hapless team for so long and then. Kelly: You know, I thought they were turning the corner when they made the playoffs. Kelly: Several years ago and then their quarterback hurt his knee. Kelly: And he was never the same again. Kelly: They just went back to the hapless Bengals, but yeah, I can't agree more that Joe Burrell is the real deal, and they certainly. Kelly: I mean, everybody expected it at some point, but they turned it on pretty early and I I think they could be good. Kelly: For years it was really. Kelly: I I the only team that's a mystery is Cleveland and we know what's going on there and. Kelly: We don't need. Kelly: To get into all of that with the quarterback there. Kelly: Hopefully the NFL does all the right things and. Kelly: They've got a very challenging problem. Kelly: The Ravens had probably for them a down year. Kelly: But still got one of the most explosive. Kelly: Quarterbacks going on before we get into the logos. Kelly: Given some of the quarterbacks in this division. Kelly: I'd love you to talk about. Kelly: Just what's the play of JoJo Berlin? Kelly: Jackson in Baltimore. Kelly: Like what what's it like and what what do you see going on with them? Chris: Well, so Joe Burrow is the more classic. Chris: Now, Joe Burrows athletic. Chris: Now he can run a little bit, so not quite like a. Chris: Josh Allen doesn't have that. Chris: Had that kind of power, and obviously you know he's not as fast as you know we've we. Chris: You know the premier running backs or running quarterbacks are Lamar Jackson might be the single best. Chris: I you know what's interesting about Lamar Jackson. Chris: Just a quick little tangent is, you know he's the only one I've ever seen. Chris: Now there's been good running. Chris: Quarterbacks you know and and now. Chris: The league has evolved into at a minimum, mobile quarterbacks as as the preferred. Chris: Option, you know, running quarterbacks, maybe? Chris: You know there's some of them out there, but it's maybe not the preferred. Chris: You have to be mobile though at a minimum right? Chris: And So what Lamar Jackson does is just different than the only other guy who maybe is even similar. Chris: Slightly it was Michael Vick. Chris: And what I mean by that is. Chris: So petrol homes can run. Chris: You know Patrick Mahomes will fade towards the sidelines, so you snap the ball relatively close to the center of the field and there's hash marks. Chris: But generally, like you're, you're in the center of the field, right? Chris: And then you have a lot of space to your right and your left and most quarterbacks will prefer to roll towards their dominant arm side. Chris: Because it's easier to throw. Chris: When you're running that direction, right? Chris: So if you're right handed and you're running to your right, it's just easier to get into a throwing motion when you're doing that. Chris: If you have to throw back across your body, that's generally a really dangerous throw. Chris: And it's uncomfortable. Chris: And so most quarterbacks, when they're going to choose to run, will already have been into a scramble mode and they'll be going to one side of the field. Chris: And they they essentially will just work their way towards the sideline. Chris: You know, kind of ever so slowly depending on their elusive. Chris: Elusiveness, you know they they may basically just make a straight line. Chris: To the sideline. Chris: You know, maybe trying to keep that first down marker in mind and that and they just want to get the first down plus one basically. Chris: The thing that makes Lamar Jackson so unique is that guy, when he takes off to run more often than not, he runs right up the middle and so nobody else does this man. Chris: It's just so dangerous and so now he has defenders on both sides so you know you talk about the defense using the sideline. Chris: As an extra defender, well, the quarterbacks use the sideline as basically like a home base like a safety net like hey, if I can just get there, they can't hit me, right? Chris: Well, Mark Jackson just doesn't see. Chris: He doesn't want that. Chris: He has guys coming at him from the right and the left from behind him and in front of him and his ability to maneuver down the middle of the field and get huge chunks is like I mean, really nobody I've ever seen. Chris: He's the best in the history of the game at being able to run. Chris: Up the middle, as it from the quarterback position and continue to stay elusive and gain yardage when bodies are coming at him from literally all four directions. Chris: And it's, it's amazing to watch him do what he does now, I don't think. Chris: Any human being. Chris: Couldn't do what he does for too long, he just gets hit too many times, he gets blindsided. Chris: He takes violent hits and so I don't think Lamar Jackson can continue for long doing what he does. Chris: And then Joe Boro. Chris: It comparing those two, the Joe Boro is more the you know, prototypical pocket passer. Chris: Although he like I said, he is mobile, he has the ability to run. Chris: He's he's very athletic, but what what Burrell brings at a very high level. Chris: He has that kind of up. Chris: You know I'm not comparing him. Chris: I'm not saying this is who he is, but he has that Tom Brady like feel to him like hey, I am in charge. Chris: I'm the boss out here. Chris: Follow me and we'll get there. Chris: And you know, Tom Brady has you know. Chris: Uh, pretty much made a pretty good career out of being that guy, right? Chris: And you know, bro? Chris: Like physical talent wise, probably exceeds Brady and. Chris: Then he has that, just it factor that, yeah, that you hear talked about. Chris: That's just like man, you know the people on that team just believe like they just believe that he will find a way and he has that that characteristic that's really hard to find in a human being. Chris: And if you have one at the NFL quarterback position, it's just man makes your whole team better. Chris: And that's what Joe Burrell has. Chris: He has all the tools he could. Chris: You know he can throw it 60 yards down the field. Chris: He has touch. He has, you know he can run. He has all those physical attributes. But more than that, I think it's just his. Leadership skills are just 100 out of 100 and that's what makes him special. Kelly: And then. Kelly: Give us a little bit on the logos here as well. Chris: So the Bengals just have a be with basically that bangled tiger color scheme. Chris: It's a, it's an orange be with the black stripes similar to what you would see like on a, uh, Bengal tiger. Chris: You know it's it's simple. Chris: It's classic. Chris: It suits him. Chris: It's it's. Chris: The level that they've. Chris: Had for a long time and and you know, it feels a very NFL Y you know not too complicated. Chris: Not real fancy like you know. Chris: Maybe the Titans might be or the the Panthers. Chris: You know the Panthers, Jaguars? Chris: They they they have a little bit of a. Chris: You know, kind of like another Football League, you know, like a like a CFL or something you know type of feel to it. Chris: Whereas the Bengals are real simple basic Steelers, you know, have the basically the three stars, uh, yellow or red and are are more like diamonds really? Chris: Inside a graceful circle. Chris: So white background it says Steelers off on the left. Chris: And then the Browns are by far away win the award for simplest helmet. Chris: But it it's. Chris: Just again, because because they've been around for so long, right? Chris: And the Browns are just a really, really well known franchise. Chris: They get away with it. Chris: You know they're they have an orange helmet man and that is it, and so you know it's a. Chris: It's a it's a brown. Chris: It basically has two brown stripes, a white stripe down the middle. Chris: With like brown trim and then both sides of that helmet are just orange. Chris: And you know, I think. Chris: Simple like Penn State. Chris: Simple like you know Notre Dame. Chris: Some just as simple as it gets. Chris: Just pick a color and and that's it. Chris: And then the Baltimore Ravens have the head of a Raven. Chris: Purple, purple, and gold basically. Chris: You know and then basically just from the neck up of a Raven. Kelly: So we got who's tougher looking the Raven, the eagle, the Falcon. Kelly: The Seahawk. Chris: Ah, probably the Seahawk man, you know, if you if you got a bird coming at you, that's the one I I probably least like flying at my head is the Seahawk I'd say. Kelly: And who do you like in this last division? Chris: Well, this is tough, so I'm I'm going to put the Steelers I. Chris: I think they're going to struggle at the quarterback position. Chris: And as we've talked about, if you struggle at that position, it's it's really hard for you to win a division for sure, especially in a tough division that contains the teams that this has in it. Chris: So I'm going to put the Steelers at the. Chris: Bottom and then. Chris: I just for for the sake of dysfunction, which is too bad because I think the Browns are probably, you know, with the right guy at the helm. Chris: I think they could be a Super Bowl contender, but you know, if you put in Rogers on on the Browns, that's a that's a Super Bowl caliber team, unquestioned. Chris: I mean, any number of quarterbacks could be at the helm there. Chris: They took a schwack. Chris: On Deshaun Watson you know you can have whatever opinion you want on that. Chris: I think it was a poor choice myself, never mind. Chris: Character issues, or anything else that that your personal opinion might be just just from a gamble standpoint. Chris: You know, I think he's going to be suspended for you know, I mean, minimum of a half a year, right? Chris: Probably a year and you traded over a bunch of you know assets in order to obtain them. Chris: You paid him a ton of money. Chris: And I just don't think you made your football team better in the immediate. Chris: And this is a team that's ready to win right now. Chris: They were just a quarterback away, so and then in the process of doing all that, they fractured the relationship with Mayfield, who you know probably could have filled in. Chris: You know, even if he wasn't your long term plan man, he he was good enough. Chris: You know, I mean, they went to the playoffs and gave the Chiefs all they wanted last year before last and then he played with a busted shoulder non throwing arm but still played with a busted shoulder. Chris: And you know it's like. Chris: The guy was was. Chris: Just docked man. Chris: I mean, if he hadn't played, none of this probably would have happened and he'd be the starting quarterback for the Browns. Chris: But because he toughed it out, you know it all turned out poorly for him and and so I don't know. Chris: I just had to put the Browns probably next, just out of sheer dysfunction and then so then it comes down to the Ravens and the Bengals. Chris: And the Ravens. Chris: Really well run franchise. Chris: I just wonder, you know. Chris: They they seem. Chris: To do an excellent job in the draft again this year, fill in holes. Chris: I just don't know if the Ravens are. Chris: I I it's hard for me to believe that Lamar Jackson can just keep playing 16 games without them. Chris: They got no shot without him. Chris: They got no shot and I just wonder if he's going to make it through another season from start to finish. Chris: So that would leave the Bengals sitting on top. Chris: Biggest knock on the end would just be the Super Bowl hangover. Chris: You know the the let down from having lost in the Super Bowl? Chris: And but I don't think that franchise man. Chris: With with with. Chris: Burrell at the helm, and I. Chris: I think this. Chris: I think it's going to be a benefit to them. Chris: I think they're going to be hungry and want to get back. Chris: So all that said, I think I'll take the Bengals to take first, and I probably go Bengals, Ravens, Browns and Steelers. Chris: What's your opinion? Kelly: I I'd be close, but I I think the Browns are going to be last and I I just think again not going to get it really into the just John Watson thing. Kelly: I would have never done what they did for a lot of different reasons, but I think that they've upset the applecart. Kelly: So what are they going to do at quarterback? Kelly: You know Mayfield is going to play? Kelly: Where does his head get him be? Chris: Yeah, that's that's yeah I feel. Chris: The same way it's. Kelly: They've all, but tried to get rid of him and they couldn't. Chris: Like man, you've. Kelly: And and so you know. Kelly: And so I think they're going to be the worst. Kelly: I I will say this and This is why I don't understand. Kelly: One of these years, Jackson Luck, is going around. Kelly: I mean, he seems like an incredible talent and you always, I mean. Kelly: He seems like almost like a running back playing quarterback, sometimes, at least from the way I hear it described as far as. Kelly: Yeah, you know he runs to contact man, uh? Kelly: A lot of guys shy away from him, but this guy. Kelly: Seems to thrive on it. Chris: Oh, he's incredible man. Chris: I mean, I love the guy. Chris: I love the way he carries himself and the humility has I? Chris: I pulled for I. Chris: I mean, I'm not a Ravens fan or anything, but man, he's just an easy guy to like and and and I just. Chris: I love where his heart is and I I love you know his effort I just like I said I just don't think you can keep keep getting smashed on. Chris: Year after year game after game and survived a season. Chris: You know doing what he does, although he's remained relatively healthy throughout his career. Chris: But it's like, man, I won't point while all those back hits you know, kind of. Chris: You know? Kelly: Have their effect. Kelly: Yeah, so I mean I I I'd say Cincinnati again. Kelly: I don't see a Super Bowl. Kelly: Sometimes I could see that, but I don't see it with this team, I mean boroughs, so young and. Kelly: I think this is like giving him a taste of what he wants and. Kelly: This this was, you know, like a dress rehearsal for that, yeah, nobody likes to lose, but I. Kelly: I just think that their future is incredibly bright as long as they can keep it together and. Kelly: Things like that I. Kelly: I wouldn't be surprised to see Baltimore make the playoffs as a wild card. Kelly: And I think that. Kelly: Pittsburgh will be back, but it won't be this year. Kelly: The organization generally has so much organizational stability that they don't stay down for too long, but I think they're going to need another year just to. Chris: Transition well, I will say this. Chris: So in Pittsburgh they have the defense like they've always had. Chris: They got playmakers on defense. Chris: They're going to be able to play defensive well defense, well, right? Chris: So they have the weapons on the outside. Chris: And Deante Johnson Claypool they Najee Harris in the backfield. Chris: They got pieces so offensive line was it was a real problem for them. Chris: Last year has been for a couple of years. Chris: Sometimes the offensive lines just magically get better in an offseason. Chris: It happens all the time in. Chris: The NFL where for. Chris: No apparent reason whatsoever. Chris: You know? Chris: Maybe they just, you know it's one. Chris: It's got to be the most cohesive unit. Chris: You know, really? Chris: Throughout sports it's it's just a unique entity. Chris: The offensive line has to be like synchronized swimmers. Chris: Man, they have to all be on the same page and sometimes that takes a long time to to gel and and to. Chris: To you know, uh, less talented offensive line, who all plays together and has been together for three, four, or five years can be better. Chris: Then a highly talented 5 star, you know, number one draft pick type guys who are all disjointed right? Chris: So if they're a unit, a less talented unit can outperform a more talented unit. Chris: If they're more cohesive. Chris: And sometimes that just happens, like magic so. Chris: You know they they I. Chris: I don't think the. Chris: Yeah, yeah, you know, young kid, I had named slipping me right now, Kelly, but they drafted out of Pitt and a homegrown guy you know and and. Chris: Probably the future, but. Chris: You know? Chris: I could be on island here, but I actually don't think that Trubisky is that bad. Chris: And they picked up Trubisky in the offseason, correct? Kelly: Yeah, I don't think he's that bad. Kelly: I think he was again. Kelly: I think he was stuck in the Bears world and. Kelly: I don't know that he was coached all that well to be. Chris: Honest, I agree and I I think that under the right circumstances I think tribute. Chris: What has he got to lose? You know, think of the the Stafford move to LA or or the rat Ryan. Like we're talking about. This is, uh, a guy who has an opportunity to just rejuvenate his career. He's he's starting. Chris: From bottom, you know nobody thinks anything of him, right? Chris: He's got nowhere to go. Chris: But up and if it. Chris: Doesn't work out then it's. Chris: Just like Oh no, you know he's not like he's dropping any right he's. Chris: Already at the bottom anyway, so. Chris: And now he's playing for a good organization. Chris: Now he's now he's got a coaching staff. Chris: That's going to give him all the tools you know. Chris: I just don't rule out the possibility that maybe he is now in a new environment and you know, in in a good work plane for a good franchise. Chris: Maybe he takes a step up. Chris: Now you put a. Chris: You know, uh? Chris: A decent quarterback, right? Chris: So let's say he paid plays to the peak of his ability with a good defense. Chris: You know a potentially a good running. Chris: I I don't. Chris: Know that they're there. Chris: I'm just saying it's not impossible. Chris: The Steelers are are managed to. Chris: Just find their way to victory somehow and they're not that far away. Chris: I wouldn't be surprised at all if they were better than expected this year. Kelly: No, I wouldn't either. Kelly: And I think one of those points that you made which is. Kelly: You know, underestimated in football. Kelly: Especially when it comes to. Kelly: I'll say the pay and all of that is that offensive line cohesiveness. Kelly: So often you see, I mean, hey, yeah, we had a great line, and now you know, we don't have the money to pay him, so guys start trickling off and. Kelly: You can name some teams you know where they've had that offensive line that really can impose their will on the defense and just give that quarterback that time and it is. Kelly: It's like a it's like a ballet on the football field. Kelly: I mean, it really is. Kelly: And you hear this all the time that when the guys move in synchronization, it's like 5-5 men. Kelly: Becoming one. Kelly: And when they all know that together it's it can be a thing of beauty. Kelly: And but again like I said, then what happens is you start throwing in young guys and it's not that they're bad, but they just can't impose their will. Chris: Yeah, and and it's there's so much fluidity in the offensive line there, there needs to be, you know, the defense is attacking you from all angles. Chris: So in pass protection you need to know when it's OK for you to break off of this block and and go pick up this blitzer in in the run scheme you know you know. Chris: You know there. Chris: It's it's just fractions of seconds, you know. Chris: You hold on to this guy. Chris: Right for just a half second longer so your partner can get into a better body position and square him up and then you can break off and go to the next level and go pick up the linebacker. Chris: At that point, if you stay too long. Chris: Then then you can't get to the linebacker in time if. Chris: You leave too. Chris: Early then that defensive tackle is going to break through the line and blow your back up in the backfield. Chris: You know, and you're talking. Chris: Just split seconds, man, that that make all the difference and it's about knowing what your how long you got to know the guy next to you. Chris: If you're the guard, you gotta know how long it takes. Chris: Tackle to to move two feet and you gotta see it over and over and over and you gotta you know it just takes so much time to become cohesive and I you see it all the time. Chris: Kind of like it happens in baseball with pitching Staffs too, where you know they just you know the middle of the pack or bottom of the row. Chris: You know they've been able to pack, bundle and then all of a sudden when. Chris: Here, like a bunch of their pitchers. Chris: Just get good all of a sudden and it's like well, this teams already gotten offense and now you know this. Chris: Teams fighting for a World Series championship because their pitching staff just magically got better. Chris: Like over an offseason. Chris: Don't know how it happened. Chris: It's still the same guys, you know. Chris: They can pick up any new big big name arms, but the whole group just collectively is better. Chris: All of a sudden. Chris: And you see that all the time with offensive lines in the NFL where you know teams you know, offensive line is a weakness. Chris: Offensive line is a weakness they draft. Chris: You know they. Chris: They pick up new pieces and and. Chris: It's like God that guy didn't work out. Chris: That guy didn't. Chris: Work out and they don't change anything and then magically over an offseason they show back up and all of a sudden say hey, this offensive line is not bad at all. Chris: Yeah, I was one of the top ten in the NFL and it was in the bottom 20s. Chris: You know, for two straight years and now all of a sudden like magic, they're they're not. Chris: And then you watch what happens to that football team. Chris: When that happens, you know when an offensive line comes together. Chris: The the team comes together. Chris: It makes the heart of the team and I know the quarterback is the leader and you know he's the. Chris: The guy getting big bucks in these the gut. But you ask any football team what their heart is and and you know 98 out of 100. Chris: It'll tell you it's the offensive line they they make. Chris: They drive the the bus man and it's funny because they get none of the credit. Kelly: No they don't. Chris: You know you go through the league and. Chris: Baby name 10 offensive lineman in the league but you could name all you know every starting. Chris: Quarterback for every team. Chris: And but really, at the end of the day, that offensive line is is probably the single most important unit on any football. Kelly: Couldn't couldn't agree more with you on that point. Kelly: And yeah, if you ask me right now and you know I like to think I'm pretty knowledgeable on football, I probably couldn't name more than 15 lineman. Chris: Yeah, and there's you know five or six on 32 teams right? It and collectively, between the two of us we maybe could maybe could come up with 25 and off the top of our heads so you know it's a. Chris: Not a position of glory. Kelly: Well, we've kind of made our way through all 32 teams in the preseason to the preseason, and I say that because really, not a lot should happen in the time we've recorded all these episodes. As far as the NFL, it's really like I said that offseason it's coming. Kelly: Quick though I don't have the list right in front of. Kelly: Me, but sometime in early July or late July. Kelly: Training camps will start opening up. Kelly: I know I saw a headline not too long ago. Kelly: That what the Packers kind of their scrimmage. Kelly: They always call it family night is August 5th. Kelly: That's usually the week before the 1st preseason game, so that's a little more than a month away in preseason. Kelly: I think we'll probably open up two weeks before that or something so it's coming quick. Chris: Yeah for sure. Chris: I and I can't wait in you. Chris: Know once we. Chris: Actually get, you know we're in the preseason right now, but once we get actually get into the preseason. Chris: You know, I can't wait for I've been I started. Chris: Looking at him, we've touched. Chris: On it a little bit. Chris: I mean, you and I have kind of hinted at who we like, but you know, that's fluid situation. Chris: You know, depending on what happens in camps and and with injuries and developments, you know that my opinion can change 'cause a lot. Chris: Of this is close calls. Chris: You know, like the Titans and and the Colts, you know the the whole AFC West. Chris: For that matter, you know the. Chris: The separation between the teams that are going to be playoff. Chris: Yeah, especially more so in the AFC than than I mean I. Chris: I was just looking at the AFC Kelly and and. Chris: You know there's a couple of teams like I feel like I could throw The Jets out. Chris: I don't think they're going to magically be a playoff team. Chris: Just overnight I I feel like I can throw the Texans out. Chris: I I think that you know there are still a ways away. Chris: Although they were competitive. Chris: Last year a little bit, but I I think that I can get rid of them and then maybe the Jaguars you know would be. Chris: It would be pretty miraculous if they could be a playoff team. Chris: And and then that's about it. Chris: Other than that, the bills, the Patriots, the Dolphins, Bengals, Steelers, Browns, Ravens, Titans, Colts and then the entire AFC West. Chris: You know chiefs, Raiders, Chargers, Broncos. Chris: Any one of those teams can represent represent the AFC in the Super Bowl. Chris: You know, depending on what breaks their way, so it's just going to be really interesting. Kelly: Yeah, I know it's really fluid and you know I I would say that I could tell you. Kelly: There's at least 12 teams, probably that, again, 'cause I'd probably kick out the same ones you are. The Jets, the jagwire's, Jaguars, the Texans. Kelly: And such. Kelly: I I might kick out the Browns too, but. Kelly: That that one is what you I just gotta see what happens in preseason for them for sure. Kelly: Really for all these teams but. Kelly: The AFC is definitely stacked. Chris: Well, if somehow I think it would take a miracle. Chris: But if somehow Deshaun Watson is eligible to play. Chris: And he can be the starting quarterback for the Browns, then then all bets are off, you know. Chris: And if he's you know that's John Watson of old, I mean. Chris: That's he's the. Chris: Top five top seven talent at the quarterback position. Chris: You know, if all of a sudden he's at the helm and his mind's right, and you know he's free to play. Chris: Well, now all of a sudden that. Chris: That team is. Chris: Quite a bit better so. Chris: You're getting a premier NFL talent. Chris: Now again, I don't know. Chris: His mind would be and and you know we don't have to get into. Chris: You know all the other things but you. Chris: You know, fact is, the guy could play football and the fact is that is a good football team so a talent wise anyway. Kelly: I mean, if again it's a very complicated situation, I mean. Kelly: I have an opinion. Kelly: I don't think it's that complicated in that I don't think the man should be playing football yet. Kelly: I I think there's enough evidence, but. Kelly: I you know the NFL is going to decide all that and but if, as you say, if circumstances were that he'd ended up playing end up playing, well, then. Kelly: It's a completely different story. Kelly: But we'll see what happens come August, and what's going on with who actually lines up for all these teams and then kind of which you know, rookies. Kelly: You never know you've got a lot of draft picks who comes on, and there's the unfortunate other side of training camp injuries. Kelly: And every once in a while, too, you know. Kelly: Tough part of the NFL. Kelly: Some guys careers come to an end that you didn't expect. Kelly: You always see those unexpected cuts from guys that have been around all the year. Kelly: It's really a tough business. Kelly: I mean, you know I can't even imagine. Kelly: Imagine what that's like. Kelly: But, uh. Kelly: It's good to get all this under our belts and we'll keep our listeners entertained with other sports and other topics. Kelly: And thanks again Chris for being my co-host and for another entertaining episode. Chris: You got it, Kelly, always fun. Kelly: Buddy alright buddy, have a good one. 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